leyki wrote:That doesn't mean that souls are detachable though, because if they were, we would have seen plenty of examples in which demons would try to remove souls from humans.
How do we know there aren't? We've seen a select number of demons throughout the show, so in such a diverse group, there could be a lot of demons that could do something similar to what that group was doing. Could a vengeance demon detach a soul? I think so.
The Mayor SOLD his soul, the soul wasn't detached away from him. There is a difference.
See, to me, that's splitting hairs. We've seen a race of demons that can take souls without someone's will, and we've seen that the average person can sign away their soul. If souls can be involuntarily put back in this 'verse, then by the same token they can be involuntarily taken away.
The Mayor and Faith didn't know what or how he could do it.
So, the Mayor, who had all the information and power to find the Rights of Ascension to turn himself into an Old One, has already sold his soul, and kept himself in control of a mystical convergence for over a century, would just willy-nilly hire any demon off the street to do the job without knowing whether or not the demon had the power to involuntarily remove a soul? I just find that hard to believe. If involuntary soul-removal was impossible, I think that someone like Wilkins would know that.
A lot of things have changed in the mythology since season 1.
BtVS was only supposed to be on air for one summer, not for 7 years.
Vampires don't have souls, Whedon changed his mythology in season 2 up until now.
So we just ignore S1 and accept that whatever new thing the writers came up with goes? Just pretend that the retcons don't exist? Sorry, S1 stands as a reason to ponder in my book.
Being born without a soul, is not the same as detaching it.
The soul collecting vessel was to prevent Angel's soul lost in the air.
If a human can be born without a soul for no reason, that leads me to believe that souls are kind of precarious in the 'verse. Also, Orbs of Thesulah weren't specifically created for Angel (I'm not sure about that jar thing was in Ats). The shopkeeper describes them as spirit vaults of the undead, and they were a sorta easily to find object (and New Age paperweight). Now, why would someone mass-product spirit vaults of the undead, which leaves vampires and zombies as recipients. However, Angel implies that it might not just be the undead, "If memory serves, this is supposed to summon a person's soul... from the ether... store it until it can be transferred." Of course, when he says "person," he could just mean "undead persons," but seems like being just for the undead doesn't really give the object enough of a purpose to be easy to find and own, and he's definitely not implying that "a person's soul" specifically refers to Angel only.
Darla never shared the soul the way you describe it...
She was effected by it. It conflicted with what she thought her desires should be and made her feel differently. That's what a soul does, and to me, that's good enough to say that she and Connor were sharing it. Once Connor was born, the influence would go away. In a way, that's how I see souls in the Buffyverse. They are like signs of life, metaphorically speaking. Life can be given and taken involuntarily, and souls can be given and taken. People are born with souls they didn't ask for, and when they die, the soul goes up into the ether. They don't have a lot of choice over what happens their representative little ball of sunshine.
Vampire!Darla, never asked or wanted another chance.
Neither did a certain doe-eyed vampire, but I don't fault him for that.
Actually, back at the end of S6 when we were still gloriously in the time of shooting scripts that came out online a week before the episodes aired, the script that got leaked had a fake-out to confuse spoiler-hunters. In the fake script which unfortunately was the script that they gave to Mr. Marsters to act by, Spike goes to the demon to get out his chip, and while they were filming, Whedon told Marsters that the ending had been changed and to just react with the same scream that was at the end of the script that he already had no matter what was said by the demon (kinda like George Lucas did to Mark Hamill with the Daddy Vader bit). When they filmed the demon returned Spike's soul, and Spike screams. James thought that Spike had been involuntarily given back his soul when he really wanted the chip out; it was only later that Whedon revealed that Spike wanted his soul back the entire time and the fake script was only to keep the real ending hidden until it aired (it didn't help because that script got leaked on the 'net too two days before the ep aired). Anyways, even though that wasn't the real ending and therefore not part of the source material, Whedon found it plausible that a soul could be involuntarily given back to someone with strong enough magics without a curse or happiness clause. And by that, it can be assumed, if an episode called for it, a writer would have a soul be taken away, even partially and if for a humorous purpose- hey, that's why we have Kathy!
The 'verse is rich, and there's nothing that absolutely cannot happen, in my opinion. Everything that was supposed to be concrete about it gets turned on its head eventually, so souls coming and going doesn't seem that implausible.
Sorry for the length of this. *scampers off*