Cattleprod wrote:People keep bringing up how 'slow' Infiltration was. You know how long it took for Transformers to actively be hanging around in robot mode? Three issues, one of which was the 99 cent preview. And in the course of those issues, we had one of the best choreographed car chase scenes ever in a Transformers comic. By the end of Infiltration, things were definitely going at a good clip.
The ongoing is at #11, and I'm still complaining about how slow things are. And it's not for lack of action, there's been plenty of fighting along the way. It just feels so dragged out. The Menasor battle felt empty, roughly half the guys said to be at the site never even appeared on panel. The Combaticons invading South Korea wasn't exciting and tense, it was just there. Conversations are dragged across far more pages than are necessary. That 16 page Infiltration preview mentioned above felt more like a complete issue than any 22 page issue of the ongoing.
There's a difference between telling a story slowly and just being poorly paced. Infiltration was the former, and the ongoing is sadly the latter.
Max_Rawhide wrote:The Dead Universe...well, the Gorlam Prime part was interesting as was a Galvatron/Cyclonus/Swoop that wasn't Unicron related. But they still had this near mystical background.
hook line and sinker wrote:Idw can clearly see that crushing the tf universe by rushing the last few ations storylines and then with the ongoing debacle didnt bring in any new readers,
Max_Rawhide wrote:Truth be told, I wasn't completely in awe with the -tion series.
I really liked the original idea of that series with the whole abandoned Cybertron, the galactic scope of the stories, the military structure, and the concept of the Infiltration units.
That was all excellent. (And all parts that were discarded.)
But for me, the story went downhill fast with the introduction of The Reapers and the Dead Universe.
The first one served absolutely no purpose other then causing the reveal of the Decepticons on Earth (although that was already blown when Sixshot was used) and the wavering loyalty of Sixshot.
The Dead Universe...well, the Gorlam Prime part was interesting as was a Galvatron/Cyclonus/Swoop that wasn't Unicron related. But they still had this near mystical background.
But all in all, still a whole lot better than AHM and the current Ongoing.
Matrix wrote:hook line and sinker wrote:Idw can clearly see that crushing the tf universe by rushing the last few ations storylines and then with the ongoing debacle didnt bring in any new readers,
Except it seemingly did. There's certainly a large influx of female readership that arrived during AHM, and IDW continuously insist that AHM was a big success, with rising figures that were better than Devastation.
The Diamond sales figures for the US seemed to be the same, but sales abroad must have increased. So they say, anyway. My point is: you're a pleb. What might seem obvious to you is more than likely wrong unless you have any inside info.
As for Devastation onwards: yes. God yes. Furman's dialogue utterly disintegrated, and the idea of super-threats that cause factions to team up was simply a Unicron story in new clothes.
We even began to see Megatron's mental state decline as he became more and more obsessed with defeating the autobots.
This applies to Thunderwing, The Reapers, the Dead Universe... it was just endless recycled storytelling without any true concentration on character development.
Matrix wrote:Going to have to completely disagree with you there, mate. Megatron's 'Pah! Screw the plans, I want to kill Prime!' is nowhere near as sophisticated as his portrayal in AHM. It's one of the few things the story did well, I think.
The accusations of 'They're their Sunbow personalities!' is either borne from not reading past the first couple of issues or recycling fan bile. Shane started with characters that seemed familiar, but quickly grew in complexity. Starscream's the main example of this: I was screaming like the rest when his character was 'axed' in AHM, but by the end it was more complex than ever, matching up to - and exceeding - his portrayal in the -ations.
HighlordGalvatron wrote:Matrix wrote:I gave AHM the chance that many others didnt not because i IDW won me over when they got the TF's . But AHM was 12 issues of a weak story which has turned into a very weak ongoing.
Sure, it has a few good moments but it was like reading a composite of several season one and two episodes.
Now, compared to the ongoing, AHM seems like gold!!!!!